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1 The Dowdesbury family on Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:21 am

Joseph Dowdesbury born 1811 Standish Gloucestershire, he married Harriot Townsend born 1812 Frocester, Gloucestershire in 1844.

Now the problem. On the 1851 census they appear to have several children but the 2 eldest were born in the 1830's, now was Harriot married before or did they live together for a few years.

Hannah Dowdeswell age 16
Peter Dowdeswell age 14
Moses Dowdeswell age 9
James Dowdeswell age 7
Ann Dowdeswell age 3
Charles Dowdeswell age 1 Month

Any help would be appreciated

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2 Re: The Dowdesbury family on Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:15 pm

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Maybe he was married before.  Strictly speaking any children from a previous marriage of hers would have a different surname.  I realise they could all be put together under one surname on a census.

Really need their marriage certificate to see if either were widowed.

Could check births for the eldest two see what surname they are under  Idea
Eldest 3 probably as Moses born 1842.
Next one born 1844 so even that one may not be theirs.

3 Re: The Dowdesbury family on Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:23 pm

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Well there is a Moses birth entry under Dowdeswell Dec 1841 Stroud.

James Dowdeswell Mar 1844 Stroud.

I'm thinking he was married before not her otherwise they would be under Townsend but not found the eldest two yet.

4 Re: The Dowdesbury family on Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:46 pm

I'm not even bright enough to find the family on the 1851 census, let alone find out who Joseph's first wife was!

Help!

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5 Re: The Dowdesbury family on Mon Jan 20, 2014 1:59 pm

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It's Dowdeswell not Dowdesbury if that helps STG  Wink

6 Re: The Dowdesbury family on Mon Jan 20, 2014 2:06 pm

That's better! Thanks Tourmie Smile

Is this of any use?  Don't know much about Glos geography, but Google says Rodborough is n.Stroud ...

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N1L9-7HX

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7 Re: The Dowdesbury family on Mon Jan 20, 2014 2:21 pm

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I wonder why they never married till 1844 then? Pity the marriage isn't online to check their status  Cool 

Struggling to find the elder two children in 1841. I can find a Peter Townsend 4 in Stroud with a Harriet Townsend 25.

8 Re: The Dowdesbury family on Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:19 pm

I wonder if it was too different Harriets.

Off to see what I can find ...

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9 Re: The Dowdesbury family on Mon Jan 20, 2014 7:41 pm

Haven't found a marriage, but did find this poss baptism of Joseph in 1810.  Harescombe isn't far from Standish and both are the same distance from Stroud ...

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10 Re: The Dowdesbury family on Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:04 am

To start at the beginning. Joseph Dowdesbury born 1766 Standish, married Hesther Pool in 1809. They had 2 sons Richard born 1811 (c) and Daniel born 1812 (c) In 1841 I have come across a Joseph and Hesther on the census that year with a son called Richard but born in 1816 not 1811.

Name: Joseph Dowdeswell
Age: 70
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1771
Gender: Male
Where born: Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish: Standish
Hundred: Whitstone (Lower Division)
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

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Registration District: Wheatenhurst
Sub-registration District: Haresfield
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 370
Book: 16
Folio: 18
Page Number: 12
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Dowdeswell 70
Esther Dowdeswell 60
Joseph Dowdeswell 30
Richard Dowdeswell 25
John Dowdeswell 15
George Dowdeswell 15
Caroline Dowdeswell 20

The eldest son Joseph I am checking and found this marriage to Harriet in 1844.

The christening could well be Joseph junior, right parents

Here is the 1851 census

Name: Joseph Dowdeswell
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Hariot Dowdeswell
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Harescombe, Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish: Haresfield
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration District: Wheatenhurst
Sub-registration District: Haresfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 5b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 51
Piece: 1963
Folio: 75
Page Number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Dowdeswell 40
Hariot Dowdeswell 58
Hannah Dowdeswell 16
Peter Dowdeswell 14
Moses Dowdeswell 9
James Dowdeswell 7
Ann Dowdeswell 3
Charles Dowdeswell 1 Mo

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11 Re: The Dowdesbury family on Tue Jan 21, 2014 1:51 pm

joseph in 1841 seems to be with an eliza

Name:
Joseph Dowdeswell

Age:
30

Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1811

Gender:
Male

Where born:
Gloucestershire, England

Civil Parish:
Bisley

Hundred:
Bisley

County/Island:
Gloucestershire

Registration District:
Stroud

Sub-registration District:
Bisley

Piece:
349

Book:
1

Folio:
30

Page Number:
6


Joseph Dowdeswell 30



on image eliza is underneath born 1816 bisley gloucestershire

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12 Re: The Dowdesbury family on Tue Jan 21, 2014 3:34 pm

So Joseph's first wife could well of been called Eliza.

There are 2 deaths for a Elizabeth Dowdeswell in 1842, one reg Tetbury the other Cirencester.

The only thin is where are the children in 1841?

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13 Re: The Dowdesbury family on Tue Jan 21, 2014 5:26 pm

unless eliza is a sister or some other relation. there is no way of knowing with 1841 census

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14 Re: The Dowdesbury family on Tue Jan 21, 2014 7:54 pm

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I think the Joseph 30 with Eliza in 1841 is a different chap vron.
The Joseph we are looking at is the son age 30 below in 1841 and if he isn't with a wife and 2 young children in 1841 then they must be with their mother.
It's a pity the Peter and Harriet Townsend combo didn't have a Hannah with them.

Name Age
Joseph Dowdeswell 70
Esther Dowdeswell 60
Joseph Dowdeswell 30
Richard Dowdeswell 25
John Dowdeswell 15
George Dowdeswell 15
Caroline Dowdeswell 20

15 Re: The Dowdesbury family on Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:06 am

I am also beginning to wander if there are two Joseph's born 1766 approx.

1 Joseph Dowdeswell born approx 1766 Standish, died in 1842 Standish, married to Hesther Pool in 1809.
They had 2 sons Richard born 1811 and Daniel born 1812 born in Driffield, Gloucestershire.

2 Joseph Dowdeswell born approx 1771 Standish, married to Esther approx 1781 Standish.
Children
Joseph Dowdeswell age 30
Richard Dowdeswell age 25
John Dowdeswell age 15
George Dowdeswell age 15
Caroline Dowdeswell age 20

Richard born 1811 was married by 1841 to Elizabeth Dean otherwise I would of thought they were the same family.

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16 Re: The Dowdesbury family on Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:21 am

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Think you are right siamese and there are two different families.

There are two Richards in 1841.  One age 68 Stroud on his own and the other we have listed above Standish age 25 with Caroline, Joseph etc.

Which one is this below or do we have a Richard the 3rd  Laughing 

Richard born 1811 was married by 1841 to Elizabeth Dean otherwise I would of thought they were the same family.

17 Re: The Dowdesbury family on Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:59 am

Made one slip, the second Joseph born 1771 not 1781.

1851 census with the Richard I have

Name: Richard Dowdeswell
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Dowdeswell
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Driffield, Gloucestershire, England
Civil Parish: Driffield
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration District: Cirencester
Sub-registration District: Cotswold
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 21
Piece: 1968
Folio: 521
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Dowdeswell 40
Elizabeth Dowdeswell 37
James Dowdeswell 13
Mary Ann Dowdeswell 11
Sarah Dowdeswell 6
Robert Dowdeswell 3

Marriage from familyseach so ?

About Dowdeswell, Richard
Richard Dowdeswell
Pedigree
Male
Family

Event(s):
Birth:
About 1812 Driffield, Gloucester, England
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Marriages:
Spouse: Betty
Family
Marriage:
About 1837 , Gloucester

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18 Re: The Dowdesbury family on Thu Jan 23, 2014 2:10 pm

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Poor Moses was blind  Sad 

19 Re: The Dowdesbury family on Thu Jan 23, 2014 2:14 pm

How sad, one of my Ogborn's was blind
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20 Re: The Dowdesbury family on Thu Jan 23, 2014 10:05 pm

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There's a page and a half of family trees on ancestry for Joseph and Harriet.  I looked at the ones with the most info and none of them have a previous marriage for either of them.

Maybe they were parents for all the children but just didn't get round to a wedding in a timely fashion.

None had Hannah or Peter in 1841.  One had Harriet in 1841 Tetbury with a William Dowdeswell and she had an alternative name Harriet Cox.

No idea if this is the same Harriet or where those 2 children were in 1841 scratch

21 Re: The Dowdesbury family on Fri Jan 24, 2014 6:39 am

Maybe the 2 eldest children Hannah and Peter were a Townsend before their mother married then took their step father's surname.

But still the same problem, 3 Harriot Townsend on the 1841 census but not with a Hannah and Peter.

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22 Re: The Dowdesbury family on Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:43 am

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One of family trees has Harriet's father Zachariah mother Ann and there is a baptism for Harriet Townsend Frocester 6 Nov 1811.

That would indicate she hadn't been married before.
Moses too was born before she married Joseph. It is odd.

Aha I looked for Zachariah on the 1841 census and with him is - drum roll - Hanah Townsend 7 - that has to be her surely  cheers 

So I think the other census with Harriet and Peter on must be the other two.

Children were born to Harriet but who the father of them was is up for debate.

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