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1 Teeny tangle on Sun Mar 09, 2014 12:09 pm

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Trying to untangle the origins of Elizabeth Jane Atkins bap 27 Jan 1833 Southwick Hants mother Jane Atkins.

Elizabeth Jane married William Pashley 26 May 1860 Manchester.
She's a spinster but puts her father as John Higgins occupation carrier.

Where did he come from  Question 
Just a made up name or any basis in fact.

I can't find Elizabeth with her mother (or father) in 1841/1851 and sadly she and William have both died by 1871.

Any suggestions welcome  sunny 

2 Re: Teeny tangle on Mon Mar 10, 2014 10:49 am

Is it possible that Elizabeth Jane's mother married a John Higgins, so that EJ regarded him as her father, even if he may not have been her biological one?

No time to look now. Orf out.

Sorry
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3 Re: Teeny tangle on Mon Mar 10, 2014 11:30 am

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Seems the most logical explanation doesn't it.

Found a tree with Jane Atkins marrying Benjamin Hill Rogers in 1847 but can't view it.  Death for Jane Rogers in 1858 and for Benjamin in 1857.  

1851

Benjamin Rogers 34
Jane Rogers 33
Martha Rogers 5  
Mary A Atkins 25 visitor

4 Re: Teeny tangle on Mon Mar 10, 2014 4:58 pm

her is jane in 1851


Name:
Jane Atkins

Age:
18

Estimated birth year:
abt 1833

Relation:
Daughter-in-law

Gender:
Female

Where born:
Southwick, Hampshire, England



Civil Parish:
Southwick

County/Island:
Hampshire
Registration district:
Fareham

Sub-registration district:
Fareham

William Voller 44
Mary Voller 13
Matilda Voller 10
Alfred Voller 8
Fanny Voller 7
Henry Voller 6
Ellen Voller 5
Selina Voller 3
Jane Atkins 18

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1661; Folio: 283; Page: 10; GSU roll: 193568.

she is down as daughter in law but the connection seems to be that William voller married an Elizabeth atkins in 1839
Name:
William Voller

Gender:
Male

Spouse's Name:
Elizabeth Atkins

Marriage Date:
28 Jun 1836

Marriage Place:
Southwick, Hampshire, England


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5 Re: Teeny tangle on Mon Mar 10, 2014 5:30 pm

in 1861 William voller had Emily atkins living with him - described as neice - and here is her christening


Name:
Emily Atkins

Gender:
Female

Christening Date:
5 Apr 1840

Christening Place:
Southwick, Hampshire, England

Mother's name:
Jane Atkins

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6 Re: Teeny tangle on Mon Mar 10, 2014 5:40 pm

however this appears to be Emily atkins in 1841 census


Name:
David Atkins

Age:
62

Estimated birth year:
abt 1789

Relation:
Head

Spouse's Name:
Jane Atkins

Gender:
Male

Where born:
Lombardy, Dorset, England



Civil Parish:
Southwick

County/Island:
Hampshire

Registration district:
Fareham

Sub-registration district:
Fareham


David Atkins 62
Jane Atkins 62
George Atkins 25
Selina Atkins 23
Catherine Atkins 19
Emily Atkins 11 - daughter

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1661; Folio: 282; Page: 9; GSU roll: 193568.

now there is no jane here and jane atkins is a married woman . she was jane bird .

Name:
Jane Bird

Gender:
Female

Spouse's Name:
David Atkins

Marriage Date:
25 Oct 1811

Marriage Place:
Southwick, Hampshire, England

so is it the right ones? why would david not be named on christenings ?

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7 Re: Teeny tangle on Mon Mar 10, 2014 5:42 pm

selina had david named

Name:
Selina Atkins

Gender:
Female

Christening Date:
3 Aug 1828

Christening Place:
Southwick, Hampshire, England

Father's Name:
David Atkins

Mother's name:
Jane


as does Catherine

Name:
Catherine Atkins

Gender:
Female

Christening Date:
29 Jul 1832

Christening Place:
Southwick, Hampshire, England

Father's Name:
David Atkins

Mother's name:
Jane

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8 Re: Teeny tangle on Tue Mar 11, 2014 3:31 pm

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Gosh thanks for all that vron. Voller rings a bell for some reason so will have a good look at everything study 

9 Re: Teeny tangle on Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:16 am

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On the 1861 census for William Pashley and wife Elizabeth J there is a Matilda Vollar sister in law 21 from Southwick Hampshire.

Still can't quite puzzle it out unless Elizabeth Atkins who married William Voller was her mother not Jane and I have the wrong baptism.

 scratch 

10 Re: Teeny tangle on Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:52 pm

no  I couldnt work it all out

but looked again at the image for the 1861 with jane atkins on and it actually says daughter by marriage not daughter in law.  this would suggest that Elizabeth jane atkins/voller  was  the mother of Elizabeth jane atkins who married William pashley.

now as Elizabeth jane atkins didn't marry William voller until 1836 it would appear that the john Higgins Elizabeth jane atkins junior puts on marriage cert must be her real father. if you were going to make up a father to cover illegitimacy you would give him same surname as yourself.

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11 Re: Teeny tangle on Wed Mar 12, 2014 3:00 pm

Elizabeth jane atkins senior appears to be this one?

Name:
Elizabeth Atkins

Gender:
Female

Christening Date:
28 Feb 1813

Christening Place:
Southwick, Hampshire, England

Father's Name:
David Atkins

Mother's name:
Jane


which would make her sibling to the other atkins childrens who baptisms I gave earlier

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12 Re: Teeny tangle on Wed Mar 12, 2014 3:13 pm

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Yes that makes sense vron thank you Like a Star @ heaven 

I've been looking at the Voller children and have found more tangles but that's for another day and not as important as it's only Rhoda who is directly descended.

None of her children survived to have children sadly - unless Alice had one straight after she married but I haven't found one.

13 Re: Teeny tangle on Wed Mar 12, 2014 3:16 pm

I also found this baptism of a jane atkins - sibling to Elizabeth jane the elder and think she is probably the mother referred to in the baptisms that just give jane .

Name: Jane Atkins
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 27 Jul 1817
Christening Place: SOUTHWICK, HAMPSHIRE, ENGLAND
Father's Name: David Atkins
Mother's Name: Jane
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02475-5
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1041288
Reference ID: item 6 p 14

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14 Re: Teeny tangle on Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:47 pm

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She's the Jane I have marrying Benjamin Hill Rogers.
She seems to be separate from family in Portsea 1841 age 25.

1851

Benjamin Rogers 34
Jane Rogers 33
Martha Rogers 5
Mary A Atkins 25 visitor

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