Joseph Speidell

1871 census in Grimsby. He 44 born Marton Moor Cheshire and wife Fanny 37 born Horncastle Lincs with children born New Hutton Lincs Joseph 10 and Harriett 9.

They only came to my attention because one of mine is lodging with them. This lodger is very elusive in 1861 so I am interested to see where this family was in 1861 but the name Speidell must be spelt wrong as no hints come up.

Any ideas what it might be please? I tried looking for the marriage but no luck.

Woah have just noticed he was an engine driver When Lewis got married he made up a father called Joseph who was an engine driver!! Coincidence?
Did he use this man as a father but change the surname to Hinchliffe when he got married or could this man actually be his real father - how exciting

Must find this Joseph to see if he was in Yorkshire around 1849.

Update have found Joseph, Fanny and baby Joseph in 1861 under Swindler at Barrow Upon Humber.

Kind of interesting his birthplace Newton Cheshire as that is where Lewis ended up.

Think have found birth of baby Joseph under Spindley but with the name changing all the time can't find anything else as yet.

Time for sustenance

These entries maybe of interest

Name: Joseph Hinchliffe
Station: Barnsley Juncn
Company: Manchester, Sheffield and Lincolnshire
Class Number: 463
Piece: 314
Description: Accountant´s personal staff list 1863
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Name: Joseph Hinchliffe
Age: 32
Birth Date: abt 1817
Residence Date: Mar 1849
Station: Barnsley
Company: Manchester, Sheffield and Lincolnshire
Class Number: 463
Piece: 312
Description: MS & LRAILway & Canal general staff book

siamese

1871


Name: Joseph Speidell
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Fanny Speidell
Gender: Male
Where born: Marton Moor, Cheshire, England
Civil parish: St James
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
Town: Grimsby
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Registration district: Caistor
Sub-registration district: Great Grimsby
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Household schedule number: 194
Piece: 3414
Folio: 93
Page Number: 34
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Speidell 44
Fanny Speidell 37
Joseph Speidell 10
Harriett Speidell 9
Louis Hinchcliffe 21


siamese

Engine driver

Louis Hinchcliffe boarder. Also on the original looks like 2 nephews living with them William age 15 and Henry age 7 Burt.

siamese

1891



Name: Joseph Swindell
Age: 63
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Fanny Swindell
Gender: Male
Where born: Newton Moor, Cheshire, England
Civil parish: Great Grimsby
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
Town: Grimsby
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Caistor
Sub-registration district: Great Grimsby
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2615
Folio: 51
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Swindell 63
Fanny Swindell 51
Jane Fryman 65

name: Joseph Swindell
event type: Baptism
birth date:
birthplace:
christening date: 19 Oct 1824
christening place: Hatherlow, Cheshire
marriage date:
marriage place:
death date:
death place:
burial date:
burial place:
father's name: Jeremiah Swindell
mother's name: Margaret Swindell
record set: RG4_0577

or

name: Joseph Swindales
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 1826
baptism/christening place: MOTTRAM-IN-LONGDENDALE, CHESHIRE, ENGLAND
birth date:
birthplace:
death date:
name note:
race:
father's name: Joseph Swindales
father's birthplace:
father's age:
mother's name: Sarah
mother's birthplace:
mother's age:
indexing project (batch) number: C74929-9
system origin: England-VR
source film number: 1656487
reference number: - 2:3956743

Oh well done siamese thanks for all that.

I can find him now in 1841 under Swindels with lots of siblings but need to place him in Yorkshire at some point if he is to meet Charlotte and produce Lewis.

Pity it doesn't say son on the 1871 but that would be too easy!

Oh my goodness there is one in Yorkshire in 1851 which is the closest census to the birth

Living with brother Peter Swindell and wife Eliza. He isn't an engine driver at this point though (if I have the right one) but a labourer.

Living Brightside Bierlow - is that anywhere near Huddersfield? *

What do you reckon to him being the father? Or is it just coincidence he used his first name and occupation?

* Seems to be near Sheffield.

Found a marriage in Sheffield 1859 Joseph Swindells and Fanny Bust/Bast.

That maybe ties in with the couple of newphews under Burt.

Any railway records for Joseph Swindells?

1901 Grimsby widowed with married daughter Harriett Metcalf and grandchildren.

One of the grandchildren grows up to be a chocolate coverer what a great job

Hold the phone

1881 has granddaughter Esther J Hinchliffe 7.

Her father was Lewis sooooooo surely that proves it Joseph the engine driver was his father and he knew he was his father and had a relationship with him how wonderful.

My word isn't it amazing what you can find out

Name: Joseph Swindells
Age: 28
Birth Date: abt 1858
Residence Date: 7 Jun 1886
Station: Manchester
Company: Manchester, Sheffield and Lincolnshire
Class Number: 463
Piece: 310
Description: MS & LRAILway & Canal general staff book
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Name: Joseph Swindells
Age: 28
Birth Date: abt 1858
Residence Date: 17 Jun 1886
Company: Manchester, Sheffield and Lincolnshire
Class Number: 463
Piece: 237
Description: Staff register: 3387 - 3992 No. 7 1881 - 1889
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Name: Joseph Swindells
Age: 16
Birth Date: abt 1859
Residence Date: 16 Aug 1875
Station: New Mills
Company: Manchester, Sheffield and Lincolnshire
Class Number: 463
Piece: 235
Description: Staff register: 3045 - 3386 No. 6 1874 - 1881
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Name: Joseph Swindells
Age: 22
Birth Date: abt 1868
Residence Date: 17 Mar 1890
Company: Manchester, Sheffield and Lincolnshire
Class Number: 463
Piece: 241
Description: Staff register: 4343 - 4844 No. 9 1888 - 1892
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Thanks for those that must be for son Joseph who was born 1860.

Would be good to find Lewis in 1861 as never have. Now the Swindells connection has come to light I am wondering if he was squirrelled away with a relation of theirs maybe even grandparents?

He isn't with his other grandmother Sarah who had remarried by then and his mother had died in 1857.