Lloyd-Williams

Ok as requested here is my problem.

I have always been told that on my mothers side of the family a Welsh woman mary Lloyd and a Welsh man ...Williams got married and began the Lloyd-Williams branch of our family. It turns out that My mother (who was brought up by her gran - Emily Boon and her father - Albert Lloyd-Williams). Alberts father was william Williams from Bristol and Mary Williams from Bath. My mother believes there is still a Welsh connection and probably comes a generation previously. I haven't been able to make any connections so far.

Any advice would be gratefully received. Please feel free to ask any questions.

Did you ever post this question on the Family Trees board as this sounds familiar for Bristol.
I have both names in my tree so remember them when they come up but no relation as mine are from Anglesey.
I only have the free subs but someone will look when the come in.

Edna

O I thought you were about to answer my problem there and that I was going to find a new relative.

I may have posted it a long time ago on there. Not sure I ever got an answer though.

My family could be from Anglesey for all I know...I gather they moved to Bristol at some point...not sure when at the moment.

thanks for the reply

ok - the only way to find out for sure if there is any truth in the rumours is to start with what you are certain with and work backwards bit by bit to see if you can find anything out.

as we are working with one of the "common" names ie williams you will probably need certs to prove things. have you any dates approx that we can work from so we can use the census etc to trace back, any birth or marriage cert details , siblings names of grandparents etc, middle names, -- the more info you can give the better we can trace.

this looks a poss for the family in 1901

Name: Albert L Williams
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Williams
Mother's Name: Mary Williams
Gender: Male
Where born: Bristol, Gloucestershire, England

Civil parish: Bristol
Ecclesiastical parish: Easton St Mark
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Registration district: Bristol
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 47
Piece: 2389
Folio: 189
Page Number: 8
Household Members: Name Age
William Williams 49 born bristol house decorator
Mary Williams 47 born bath
Albert L Williams 18 born bristol
Frederick L Williams 13 ,interestingly born toronto canada

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 2389; Folio: 189; Page: 8.

and i can see albert lloyd williams marriage to emily boon in 1903

Vron that is frighteningly impressive. It took me two years to find what you've found in less than a day. My mother believes that the Welsh connection comes a generation back but I have no more information thanks that. This is My dead end.

well this is prob albert lloyd williams birth

Name: Albert Lloyd Williams
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1882
Registration district: Barton Regis
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 82

the easy way would be to buy this certificate (£9.25)which would give the mothers maiden name and confirm whether this is the williams/lloyd marriage you are talking about. even if it is not it would give maiden name and from that would be able to find their marriage and go back from there.

off to finish cleaning the floors etc so back this evening to carry on where i have left off

Vron

That is definitely the right Albert. He was my mothers grand father. I need to try to find the generation previous to William and Mary...Unfortunately I don't know her maiden name. If there is no Welsh connection there then I wouldn't expect to find it any further back. I know I need to get the marriage cert for William and Mary in order to reach the next step. Did you get that from Ancestry?

Is this William and Mary's marriage? Barton Regis registration district seems to cover North Bristol/South Glos.

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

------------------------------------------------------------Marriages Mar 1883 (>99%

WILLIAMS Mary Jane Barton R. 6a 277
WILLIAMS William Barton R. 6a 277


STG

Edited to say : Just realised that this marriage is after Albert Lloyd's birth, so maybe it's not the right couple.

Hi Mckay
the only way forward really would be to buy the birth certificate of albert so that you get the maiden name of mary . then we can find right marriage. otherwise there are too many william williams marriages that they could be - especially if they did come from wales where it is so common.

Yes i was using ancestry and can see your family tree on there.

Ontario Births, 1869-1912 for Frederick Lloyd Williams
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No image available Search collectionAbout this collectionName: Frederick Lloyd Williams
Event: Birth
Event Date: 06 Dec 1888
Event Place: Toronto, York, Ontario
Gender: Male
Father: William Lloyd Williams
Mother: Mary Ellen Allan
Registration Year:
Registration Number: cn 45621
Film Number: 1845894
Digital Folder Number: 4656718
Image Number: 732


Try Mary Ellen Allan for Mother

Edna

Can someone look up this census found it on familysearch but cant see the rest of the family

Edna


Frederick L Williams
England and Wales Census, 1891
birth: Toronto
census: 1891 England


name: Frederick L Williams
event: Census
event date: 1891
gender: Male
age: 2
relationship to head of household: Son
birthplace: Toronto
record type: Household
registration district: Bedminster
sub-district: Bedminster
ecclesiastical parish: Holy Nativity
civil parish: Bedminster
county: Somersetshire

Wow I don't know what to say. You three are amazing. Edna that is simply superb work. I will look into that possibility immediately.

Vron I got your PM. I did have Uriah on my family tree but I took him off as I was a bit gung ho when I first started and added so many people so I stripped it down and started again. I will add him soon.

STG

I also got your message. I'm not sure why they wouldn't be working now. Try to put them up again and if it still doesn't work I'll have a look into it.

Thank you all again and if you aren't bored of looking into my family please feel free to continue...

Mckay1402

OK. Third attempt.

Don't buy certificates from Ancestry, 'cos they charge about £20 each.

Buy them direct from the GRO for £9.25 each. The system won't let me post the link, but Google GRO (General Register Office) and go from there.

STG

PS : Think it was the included link that prohibited my first two attempts. Fingers crossed.

edna

that is the right family in 1891 census. it is finding the parents marriage or william before 1891 that is the problem

I cant find the marriage of Lloyd Williams to Allan of Free BMD but I am certain that is correct.
I am sure STG or vron will be able to find them from that info found familysearch

Edna

It is possible of course that either person were married already to someone else so no marriage took place or mbe many years later

Edna

clematised wrote:I cant find the marriage of Lloyd Williams to Allan of Free BMD but I am certain that is correct.
I am sure STG or vron will be able to find them from that info found familysearch

Edna

More than happy to help, but probably not tonight. I'm wrestling with two David Goughs b. 1808 in the same Shropshire village for my cousin's husband. To make matters worse, they both married women called Elizabeth b. abt 1810, who were also born in Shropshire. Arghhhhhhh!

STG

can't find the marriage or mary ellen allen born right time around bath either

Ok thank you. I am going to order Alberts birth cert today and I'll let you know what I find out. Is it possible they got married in Canada? I haven't been able to find them on passenger records coming back into the country either...

PS. I meant to say thanks for the tip STG...I have ordered a marriage cert from Ancestry before. Didn't realise they were so much cheaper in the real world

I ordered a birth certificate last weekend (i.e. when the GRO offices were shut) over the internet and it arrived today, despite the despatch date being given at 19 Dec.

I seem to remember that last time I ordered one, it didn't take as long as they'd estimated it would.

Excellent service from the GRO.

Hi McKay

i did look for a marriage in Canada for them but couldnt find anything likely nor could i find them coming back into the country.

i did find a few 1881 and 1871 census that could fit with william williams pre marriage but without fathers name there is not really a way to be certain so we really need the marriage cert ---- if only we could find the marriage!!

i also looked for mary ellen allen pre 1881 but there didnt seem to be any in the right area with a birthplace near bath/bristol etc.

i will have another look on monday when i have more time

o thank you. I have looked as well but William Williams is a very common name. I shall keep trying...I ordered Albert L Williams birth certificate today so once that comes I'll post my findings...

this appears to be the baptism of Frederick Lloyd Williams

Name: Frederick Lloyd Williams
Event: Christening
Event Date: 15 Oct 1891
Event Place: Knowle, Holy Nativity, Somersetshire, England
Father: William Williams
Mother: Mary Williams
Film Number: 4178523
Digital Folder Number: 4178523


Bristol PRs are on familysearch.org

Well, they arrived in Canada already married and only stopped a short while as they were back before the 1891 UK census was taken
Departed Liverpool
Arrived Quebec on "The Sarmatian"
13 Aug 1888
William L Williams 36
Mrs Williams 35
Albert Williams 6
heading for Toronto