Finding the Anderson Boys in 1911

Hi Tourmie,

Yes he is Harold Albion Anderson though no idea of where the Albion name comes from

Edna

Tourmie wrote:A possible for Alfred in 1911 aged 38 single born Blackburn with pages of others as a "private" in Scalby Yorkshire.

As Alfred is in the Army (Private)1911 Hussars of the line? is there any Military information on him or this regiment

found this on GWF
There were several Hussars Regiment. 'Hussars of the Line' just refers to the regular Hussar units of cavalry

Edna

Can't see anything specific to him but if you woogle Burniston Barracks Scalby some info comes up including people looking as we are.

Thanks Tourmie, as you say lots on there about the Barracks, I may see if Moira can have a look on FMP to see if there is a military record for him

Edna

Alfred Anderson 18th Hussars record dated 1912

FTF thread tells me that he died in 1946 Sale Cheshire and FMP has his army records 10 pages.
He mentions Redrock Street, and Oakfield Road, and also brother Harold Albion Anderson.
It has his mothers name as Elizabeth but it is wrong, and no Father.
He attests in 1891(dont know what it means) and is also a groom?

I am awaiting further information.

Edna

Alfred Anderson born 1873 Blackburn, son of Joseph and Isabella Anderson

Copied from FTF thread

Page 1
Discharge proceedings
No ??/5643 Private
Alfred Anderson
18 Hussars
Northern ??Depot
Date of Discharge - 7 Aug 1912, Scarborough
Age-39 years, 6 months
Height - 5ft 9 1/2 in
Girth - 39 in
Expansion - 3 1/2 in
Complexion - fair
Eyes - brown
Hair - grey

Intended place of residence - 17 Oakfiked road etc the crossed out to Veterans Club ?Hard Court High Holborn, London
"The termination of his second period of engagement"

Conduct -Exemplary. No offence during last 18 years of service. No instance of drunkeness during whole service of 21 years.
A thoroughly trustworthy and reliable man in every aspect.




Page 2
Difficult to read the following
Medals and clasps-
Kimberley, Johanesburg
Diamond Hill Belfast??
Kings S A Medal and clasps, South africa 1901. 1902
Long srvice and GC medals
21 years service

Page 3
Nil of note

Page 4
Typed doc - not specific to Alfred

Page 5
Copy of death cert
Died in the sub district of Manchester on 14 Oct 1946, Royal Infirmary.

Is it OK to put the details here as it is more recent???

Page 6 - just about a pension payment

Page 7 - Attestation dated 15 Aug 1891. 10 Royal Hussars
Alfred Anderson, b Blackburn, 18 years, 6 months, groom

Page 8 - Physical details eg height - as before

Page 9 - Info about service dates and payments

Page 10 - Home - 8 Aug 1891 - 5/11/99
South Africa - 6/11/99 - 19/7/02
Home - 20/7/02 - 7/9/1912

Campaigns - South Africa - 99-1902
Medals - as before
Father - none
Mother Elizabeth, 27 Redrock etc and crossed out a deceased
Brother - ????/Harold


Back to the death cert
He was a postman retired and the informant was his wife.

Address on the death cert is - Royal Infirmary/77 ? Moss Lane, Sale.
Informant, wife ? L Anderson
edit -- could be a "S" Anderson - not sure


Tourmie this is a great find so do you think you can find anything on the marriage to L or S, I did try free BMD last week but nothing came up for him but now the area may be Sale.

Edna

If he intended to go to Oakfield Road or Redrock Street at discharge in 1912, then who would have been living there in 1911? These are streets where family had previously lived, why did he change to go to the veterans address in London.

Did he marry after discharge 1912.

Edna

Wow that is a lot of information

There are plenty of AA marriages after 1912 but where or to who.
Did he have a middle name, something unusual like Albion would be helpful!

1914 W Derby Louisa Edwards
1917 Ripon Susannah Idison
1918 W Brom Liliam E Cole

Will see what else I can find.

Whereabouts are these places located Edna? Redrock Street and Oakfield Road.

Found a 27 Red Rock Street West Derby from the 1911 summary sheet.
Living there is a Mr J Walsh. 2 males 4 females.

They are in the Anfield area of Liverpool and I need to look at census details as I have these streets I am sure with family members.

Back soon as I can find them

Edna

17 Oakfield Road Everton in 1911 is a Mr Fiddes. 3 males 3 females.

Can't see any Andersons lurking with either of these families.

27 Redrock Street 1891 Isabella is living here, 1901 she is in Cupid Street,

Alfreds baptism record does not show a middle name.

I think Isabella died in 1909 and he may have lost touch with family and last known address was Redrock Street.

Isabella's sister also lived in the area at the time Jane Harrison married to Edmund Herd but I think Jane was widowed when she came to Liverpool. I think she once lived in Lombard Street same area as Isabella in 1881 census.


Edna

Just noticed "a deceased brother Harold" so Harold must have died before his discharge in 1912.
I wonder if Harold had been living at Oakfield Road prior to death

Edna

Harold is on the 1901 census so must have died between 1901 and 1912 last known Liverpool but free BMD does not have him, I will look on familysearch but they are not good for deaths.

Edna

Edit found this one for Harold Anderso just a few months before the attestation papers when Alfed left the army
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

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Deaths Jun 1912 (>99%)
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Anderson Harold 44 Prescot 8b 847


Prescot is on the outskirts of Liverpool

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Their Mother Isabella

Deaths Jun 1907 (>99%)

ANDERSON Isabella 65 West Derby 8b 317

This must be sister Jane in 1881.

Jane HERD Head W Female 41 Whitehaven, Cumberland, England House Keeper
Elizth. M. HERD Daur U Female 20 Parton, Cumberland, England Milliner
Chas. E. HERD Son U Male 16 Whaven, Cumberland, England Scholar
Walter H. HERD Son U Male 14 Whaven, Cumberland, England Scholar
Thos. WHITEHEAD Lodger U Male 42 Workington, Cumberland, England Bookkeeper
Eliza M. MORGAN Lodger W Female 35 Wales Dressmaker

Dwelling 78 Lombard St
Census Place West Derby, Lancashire, England

Isabella was at 42 Lombard St at the time.

Going off track but for info Jane was widowed between 1861 and 1871.

She is with mother Elizabeth and sister Isabella in 1861 and 1871.

Having another look for Harold in 1911. There is this one but only initials Right birthplace and age tho.

Name:
H A A

Age in 1911:
38

Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1873

Relation to Head:
Patient

Gender:
Male

Birth Place:
Whitehaven, Cumberland, England

Civil parish:Lancaster
County/Island:
Lancashire
Country:
England

Marital Status:
Single

Occupation:
Press Reader

Unfortunately the address is the County Lunatic Asylum.

Thats her I am in contact with Janes rellies and know that she married again but I can access her tree anytime, though Janes birth is as elusive as Lord Lucan her rellies cant find any trace of her birth even though they were Quaker births I have all the others as a contact sent them to me.

I think it may have been Alfred was going to reside with a family member but as both mother and Harold had died that is why he went to London.
I have opened the copy you sent me and I agree that does look good for Alfreds wife Louisa Edwards, she may have met him as a boarder from the looks of others in the house

I am thinking if I send for death of Isabella and Harold and the marriage of Alfred, I may learn a little of where they were living at the time of death, and who reported the deaths, also the Marriage of Alfred may have some value too, what do you think before I go ahead and order them.

Edna

Just saw your message about HAA it also looks possible as I dont think he married and maybe had an impediment good find Tourmie, was it in Prescot by any chance, Press Reader, I think an earlier census had him in the printing trade, his uncle Jonathan was a Printer Compositor

1901 has Harold as a Print Reader so it is deffo him

Edna

Wow can't believe that was the right one with just initials

I think the address was just Lancaster but will check again and send you the page with him on.

Certs are always risky but so exciting when they turn up and are the right people. I wonder which one would be the most productive? Which one are you most sure about - Isabella?

The Alfred marriage is out on a limb really, we don't know that is him. There is a tree with Louisa Edwards on but it just gives her parents no husband or anything useful.

I think I have the right death for Isabella, hopeful

Yes that one was a really good find on the information you had to go on.
I have got the image thank you and saved it to my pictures.

Edna

I was thinking about the Anderson marriage would it be an idea to post a look up somewhere if anyone had access to the marriages for that area?
Just so you don't waste money getting the certificate if it is wrong and to get a heads up as it were.

Thanks Tourmie perhaps rootschat county boards may be the best place for this I will do it later today after I have completed all my do do things for the day.


Edna

Edit,7.30pm I have now added the info about the 1914 marriage on Rootschat to see if anyone can see a record anywhere

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=587010.new Thread on rootschat says marriage was at St John the Baptist Tuebrook

Edna

Was worth a shot and at least you have the name of the church.

Are you going to contact them or just go for the certificate?